One wonders if the potential replacements will be appreciably different in the policies they support, though.
New elections within 30 days. Let’s see what happens.
Nobody should never wish death upon anybody. However, this guy had it coming. After being responsible for the death of over 150,000 people in the past 14 years, most people think this is the least he deserved. He was mostly known for his socialist ways, for broken relationships with other major nations, for his corruptive approach to gain people’s support.
After 14 years of causing severe damage to the economy of this country and setting its people against one another, Chavez has become one of the most notorious dictators to this day. It saddens me to see how much potential Venezuela once had as a nation filled with beautiful traditions, culture and people that could truly stand up for one another…and what it became due to the selfish desire of one man wanting to rule everything and everyone.
I believe it will take a lot for this country to get back on its feet and go back to be what it was 15 years ago, but there is certainly a lot of hope now to change directions.
When you pass away, and there is so many people celebrating your death instead of your life…you know you did something wrong.
Looks like Hugo Chavez should qualify for support from Susan G Komen.
I made myself lol.
The reaction of so many people to Chavez’s death was atonishing. This goes to show the kind of seed that this man planted on the heads of his supporters. It’s not a seed of respect and love for the ones gone, but a seed of fight and revenge for their deaths. These people not only made sure to show their discontent to the news, but decided to act against groups of innocent students protesting for the fact that nobody knew where Chavez was for the past several months…and they were attacked by Chavez’s supporters, who set their belongings on fire, physically attacked them and carried big guns and fire arms around with clear intentions to start shooting people at any given time.
What does this say about Chavez’s legacy? Not very good things I may say.
Oscar, in terms of Democide, he should be able to rest on his own laurels.
It faintly reminds me of awarding nobel prizes to Obama and Anwar Sadat.
Oscar,
Demagogues rule by blind popularity. There is no doubt that there is massive grief among millions of lower-income Venezuelans and all of those that cave into his movement, so your argument about pervasive death celebration is not entirely accurate. Those who opposed him and did not dive into his ideological doctrines may be “celebrating” or optimistic about the new country’s prospects, but there’s lots of grief nonetheless evidencing a large divide. That being said, it’ll be interesting to see if Nicolas Maduro is able to perpetuate the Chavismo movement if he is re-elected, assuming he abides by the law and holds re-election.
How did this guy get so powerful in Venezuela? They talk about charisma, but the guy wasn’t all that easy on the eye and had very strong personality. I guess he intimidated enough people? Scary to think about these strong personalities that end up abusing their power throughout history.
The upcoming elections surely bring a breath of fresh air to Venezuelans. Who would have known that after Chavez was unlawfully re-elected during the last elections in October 2012, that he would never be able to be in office due to his condition? He controlled the media and the polls to make everything look on his favor, yet he could never really enjoy his “victory”. Sounds a bit ironic to me.
New elections within 30 days. Let’s see what happens.
Like most democratically-elected dictators, Chavez strongly believed in the adage: “one man; one vote — one time”
Ryan,
He had totaly control over the poor class in Venezuela, who drastically grew in numbers after he was first elected president in 1998. He persuaded them in insane ways to make them think he was there for them, that he was going to help them get rich, go to school, become professionals, get easy money…he bribed them all.
The poor didn’t know any better, and when they started getting free stuff (free health care, free homes, free assets, free food, etc) then their support for him just became stronger. The flipside to this fact though, is that none of these things were free. The middle and upper-class were all paying for them, not the government. He took companies and jobs away from the middle and upper-class to give it to the poor (because they “needed” it most). He gave jobs to people that didn’t have an academic formation at all, and left truly educated people jobless.
This is how he gained so much support from clueless and uninformed Venezuelans. He was just corrupt to the core!
Erika,
I never got into the politicized account of Chavez’s regime. I purely mentioned facts about millions of people currently grieving his death, for better or worse, which is another debate. Oscar just made it sound as if the entire populace is over-joyed by his death much like he is and you are. Just stating that is not the case.
Chavez, the ultimate dictator who privatized institutions and private business in revolutionary fashion, just as he had promised. Then, he gave most of it to the poor while amassing a personal fortune and rigging most elections. He was definitely a popular autocrat who designed the system to keep himself in power. It’ll be interesting to see if “Chavezimo”, as they call it, will continue following his death. His VP is likely to win nomination which will lead to 6 more years of revolution.
Matthew: What is Chavezimo? Never heard of such thing.
And Erika, don’t mind my rebuttal to your comment, got confused with my posting. What I get for commenting all over the place!
Ryan,
I never said anything about anybody being over-joyed by Chavez’s death. Read the starting line of my statement and it clearly says we should never wish death upon anybody. I stated facts that ocurred during his presidency and how his decisions brought this country down to nothing, and how challenging it will be for them to recover after all their president did, out of nothing but greediness and a selfish desire to control everything.
Those who are happy about his death, well I leave that up to them. They may have their reasons for their sentiment. Same thing for those who are not. At the end of the day, both supporters and non-supporters have one common goal and that is to become a strong nation again, and whether you agree or not, with Chavez’s death there is certainly more hope that this will happen.
Oscar, from the content of your original post, I still don’t believe you aren’t happy about his death, over-joyed may have been a stretch. I am not from there but I know the underlying reason why the world cares about Chavez’s death is because he was successful in his revival of the plight of the disenfranchised, irrespective of whether you agree with it or not. As for his domestic policies, that’s something for the Venezuelan people to debate on. For me it’s just hard to picture how certain individual figures are able to move masses so effectively while maintaining a Draconian diplomatic policy toward msot countries. In that sense, I think it’s good we protect our term limits in federal government in this country and don’t allow IR-negligent leaders–hopefully that never changes.
He looks like a breast cancer patient
Erika you are wrong on so many counts.
Ryan,
It’s not a matter of whether I am happy about it or not. I never said how I felt about it, who cares? It’s my personal sentiment and I’m very much entitled to it.
I entirely agree with your point on Chavez’s successful pursue of disenfranchisement though. I never said anything different.
Desai,
Inform yourself.
Perhaps a more ellaborated response would make your comment that much more relevant.
Desai, if Erica is indeed “wrong on so many counts” as you claim, you should have no trouble providing a few well-written counterexamples.
I await your response.
Oscar, you seem to be quite defensive about this topic, almost as if you may have some personal commitment to the topic.
Desai, he was a cancer patient, but highly doubt it was breast cancer since that is highly uncommon in men and usually not as rapidly fatal as was in his case.
All this hoopla about Desai. I’m the one who made the Susan G. Komen reference wayyyy back. No one gets my jokes 🙁
Also obesity is uncommon in cancer patients as well… so are war crimes, but that doesn’t stop ol’ Chavez
One wonders if the potential replacements will be appreciably different in the policies they support, though.
New elections within 30 days. Let’s see what happens.
Nobody should never wish death upon anybody. However, this guy had it coming. After being responsible for the death of over 150,000 people in the past 14 years, most people think this is the least he deserved. He was mostly known for his socialist ways, for broken relationships with other major nations, for his corruptive approach to gain people’s support.
After 14 years of causing severe damage to the economy of this country and setting its people against one another, Chavez has become one of the most notorious dictators to this day. It saddens me to see how much potential Venezuela once had as a nation filled with beautiful traditions, culture and people that could truly stand up for one another…and what it became due to the selfish desire of one man wanting to rule everything and everyone.
I believe it will take a lot for this country to get back on its feet and go back to be what it was 15 years ago, but there is certainly a lot of hope now to change directions.
When you pass away, and there is so many people celebrating your death instead of your life…you know you did something wrong.
Looks like Hugo Chavez should qualify for support from Susan G Komen.
I made myself lol.
The reaction of so many people to Chavez’s death was atonishing. This goes to show the kind of seed that this man planted on the heads of his supporters. It’s not a seed of respect and love for the ones gone, but a seed of fight and revenge for their deaths. These people not only made sure to show their discontent to the news, but decided to act against groups of innocent students protesting for the fact that nobody knew where Chavez was for the past several months…and they were attacked by Chavez’s supporters, who set their belongings on fire, physically attacked them and carried big guns and fire arms around with clear intentions to start shooting people at any given time.
What does this say about Chavez’s legacy? Not very good things I may say.
Oscar, in terms of Democide, he should be able to rest on his own laurels.
It faintly reminds me of awarding nobel prizes to Obama and Anwar Sadat.
Oscar,
Demagogues rule by blind popularity. There is no doubt that there is massive grief among millions of lower-income Venezuelans and all of those that cave into his movement, so your argument about pervasive death celebration is not entirely accurate. Those who opposed him and did not dive into his ideological doctrines may be “celebrating” or optimistic about the new country’s prospects, but there’s lots of grief nonetheless evidencing a large divide. That being said, it’ll be interesting to see if Nicolas Maduro is able to perpetuate the Chavismo movement if he is re-elected, assuming he abides by the law and holds re-election.
How did this guy get so powerful in Venezuela? They talk about charisma, but the guy wasn’t all that easy on the eye and had very strong personality. I guess he intimidated enough people? Scary to think about these strong personalities that end up abusing their power throughout history.
The upcoming elections surely bring a breath of fresh air to Venezuelans. Who would have known that after Chavez was unlawfully re-elected during the last elections in October 2012, that he would never be able to be in office due to his condition? He controlled the media and the polls to make everything look on his favor, yet he could never really enjoy his “victory”. Sounds a bit ironic to me.
New elections within 30 days. Let’s see what happens.
Like most democratically-elected dictators, Chavez strongly believed in the adage: “one man; one vote — one time”
Ryan,
He had totaly control over the poor class in Venezuela, who drastically grew in numbers after he was first elected president in 1998. He persuaded them in insane ways to make them think he was there for them, that he was going to help them get rich, go to school, become professionals, get easy money…he bribed them all.
The poor didn’t know any better, and when they started getting free stuff (free health care, free homes, free assets, free food, etc) then their support for him just became stronger. The flipside to this fact though, is that none of these things were free. The middle and upper-class were all paying for them, not the government. He took companies and jobs away from the middle and upper-class to give it to the poor (because they “needed” it most). He gave jobs to people that didn’t have an academic formation at all, and left truly educated people jobless.
This is how he gained so much support from clueless and uninformed Venezuelans. He was just corrupt to the core!
Erika,
I never got into the politicized account of Chavez’s regime. I purely mentioned facts about millions of people currently grieving his death, for better or worse, which is another debate. Oscar just made it sound as if the entire populace is over-joyed by his death much like he is and you are. Just stating that is not the case.
Chavez, the ultimate dictator who privatized institutions and private business in revolutionary fashion, just as he had promised. Then, he gave most of it to the poor while amassing a personal fortune and rigging most elections. He was definitely a popular autocrat who designed the system to keep himself in power. It’ll be interesting to see if “Chavezimo”, as they call it, will continue following his death. His VP is likely to win nomination which will lead to 6 more years of revolution.
Matthew: What is Chavezimo? Never heard of such thing.
And Erika, don’t mind my rebuttal to your comment, got confused with my posting. What I get for commenting all over the place!
Ryan,
I never said anything about anybody being over-joyed by Chavez’s death. Read the starting line of my statement and it clearly says we should never wish death upon anybody. I stated facts that ocurred during his presidency and how his decisions brought this country down to nothing, and how challenging it will be for them to recover after all their president did, out of nothing but greediness and a selfish desire to control everything.
Those who are happy about his death, well I leave that up to them. They may have their reasons for their sentiment. Same thing for those who are not. At the end of the day, both supporters and non-supporters have one common goal and that is to become a strong nation again, and whether you agree or not, with Chavez’s death there is certainly more hope that this will happen.
Oscar, from the content of your original post, I still don’t believe you aren’t happy about his death, over-joyed may have been a stretch. I am not from there but I know the underlying reason why the world cares about Chavez’s death is because he was successful in his revival of the plight of the disenfranchised, irrespective of whether you agree with it or not. As for his domestic policies, that’s something for the Venezuelan people to debate on. For me it’s just hard to picture how certain individual figures are able to move masses so effectively while maintaining a Draconian diplomatic policy toward msot countries. In that sense, I think it’s good we protect our term limits in federal government in this country and don’t allow IR-negligent leaders–hopefully that never changes.
He looks like a breast cancer patient
Erika you are wrong on so many counts.
Ryan,
It’s not a matter of whether I am happy about it or not. I never said how I felt about it, who cares? It’s my personal sentiment and I’m very much entitled to it.
I entirely agree with your point on Chavez’s successful pursue of disenfranchisement though. I never said anything different.
Desai,
Inform yourself.
Perhaps a more ellaborated response would make your comment that much more relevant.
Desai, if Erica is indeed “wrong on so many counts” as you claim, you should have no trouble providing a few well-written counterexamples.
I await your response.
Oscar, you seem to be quite defensive about this topic, almost as if you may have some personal commitment to the topic.
Desai, he was a cancer patient, but highly doubt it was breast cancer since that is highly uncommon in men and usually not as rapidly fatal as was in his case.
All this hoopla about Desai. I’m the one who made the Susan G. Komen reference wayyyy back. No one gets my jokes 🙁
Also obesity is uncommon in cancer patients as well… so are war crimes, but that doesn’t stop ol’ Chavez